Caves

(Note: It is unlikely that the writers of the two letters
 which we have just quoted would be able to be reached at the
 addresses given.  We've merely given them as they appeared in
 AMAZING STORIES magazine in the late 1940's. - Branton)
From: "Hilary Thomas"  standingrock@pagosa.net  
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 12:26
C A V E R N S, D U N G E O N S
 A N D L A B Y R I N T H S
  -Caveat Lector-
 
 No author's name or date given for this piece,
but much interesting (if  unconfirmed) info...
 
 Bob
 
  C A V E R N S,   D U N G E O N S
 A N D   L A B Y R I N T H S
 
 
      In this 'File' we will examine reports of ancient sub-terrain
 excavations, the very reality of which presupposes the existence
 of scientifically-advanced races which reigned perhaps thousands
 of years ago, excavations that had apparently been constructed
 before the deluge and, in some cases, following it.  The account
 which we record below appeared in the Oct. 1947 issue of 'AMAZING
 STORIES' science fiction/science fact magazine, pp. 171-172:
 
 "Sirs:
      "Norman Finley, a neighbor of a good friend of mine, told me
 about an experience he had which was rather unusual.  He and a
 couple of other fellows were hunting down in the Big Bend
 country.  I don't know whether you are familiar with the Big Bend
 or not, but there is no more wild or desolate area in the
 country.  Rugged, mountainous, cut by canyons, there are
 innumerable parts of it which have never known the foot of man.
      "It was in one of the most desirable areas that Finley and
 his companions found themselves.  They had driven about ninety
 miles southwest of Marathon, Texas, a little town of about 700
 people, at the foot of the Del Norte Mountains, 4000 feet high,
 and had then gone on afoot.  The dirt road just petered out and
 they couldn't get their car further.  They were hunting deer but
 had no luck.  Just as they were about to call it a day, Finley
 spotted a mountain lion.  He snapped a shot at it and knocked it
 over.  But the lion just rolled over on his feet and started to
 leave those parts.
      "Finley and the other fellows took after him, since it was
 obvious that he was wounded and not making very good time.  They
 managed to keep him in sight for about a mile and were sure they
 had him when he ran into a box canyon.  The lion, however,
 started up a faint trail up one side of the canyon to a small
 cave they could see about a hundred feet from the floor of the
 canyon.  They followed him up this trail, but when they got to
 the cave--there was no lion!
      "The cave was one of those dished-out affairs that are so
 common in the southwest.  Eroded out of the face of a cliff and
 cup-shaped.  The only access to it was by that trail.  But this
 cave was a bit queer.  It had a sand floor and was just about big
 enough to park twenty cars in it.  On the cliff edge was a low
 STONE WALL.  This in itself was not too unusual, because such
 caves have sheltered Indians for thousands of years.
      "The thing that did make it unusual was that in the rear of
 it was a perfectly round hole.  It was obvious that the lion had
 ducked into this.
      "They approached it rather cautiously and tossed some stones
 in it to see if they could stir him up.  But there was no
 response.  They could hear the stones rolling and bouncing down
 an incline and the sound just got fainter and fainter until it
 died away altogether.
      "They then approached the hole and peered down into it.  It
 was perfectly round--also it was about four or five feet in
 diameter.  They couldn't see very far down it, but it appeared to
 descend rather sharply and at a steady gradient.  The fellows
 gathered some dry grass from the canyon floor and made some
 torches.  The incline of the bore was too steep for them to climb
 down so they tossed the torches down it.  They just slid down
 further and further and disappeared into the gloom.  They never
 did see or hear of the lion again.
      "At first they thought they had stumbled onto some old
 Spanish mine workings.  But there was no sign anywhere of a dump
 that always goes with a mine.  By all rights there should have
 been some sign of the earth and rock that had come out of that
 hole--but there wasn't.
      "When they inspected the hole itself more closely, they were
 amazed at it's symmetry and at the consistency of the section of
 the bore as far as they could see down it.  The fact that the
 bore was perfectly round puzzled them, too.  If it was a mine
 shaft, it most certainly wouldn't have been round, but instead
 would have been flat on the bottom.  The fact that the shaft
 extended straight and unwavering as a rigid pipe was cause for
 further amazement.  Since the fellows had no rope with them,
 which would have been needed to descend the shaft, as well as
 lights, they scratched their heads awhile and then left.
      "Finley wanted to go back with equipment and see how far
 down the shaft went and what was at the bottom of it.  But
 ranchers are busy people and he never went back.  In the meantime
 he got pretty well broken up when a horse threw him and he now
 lives in Fort Worth while he has someone else to run the ranch.
 We talked rather idly about having a look at his cave someday.
 He says he knows exactly where it is and could find that box
 canyon with his eyes shut.  So far we haven't done anything about
 it.  But we may either this summer or next when we get time to go
 down to Big Bend.
      "Finley told me this story about a year before even you
 heard of Shaver so you can be sure he wasn't influenced by the
 'Shaver Mystery.'  In fact, I don't believe he has ever heard of
 the 'Shaver Mystery,' even to this day.
      "E. Stanton Brown.,  4931 Bryce Ave.,  Fort Worth 7, Texas."
 
      Another letter, dated Jan. 1948, appeared in 'AMAZING
 STORIES' magazine also confirming that strange 'para-speleon'
 phenomena exists in the western part of Texas.  However the
 artifacts described in the following letter seem to involve areas
 north of Big Bend, not far from the Guadellupe Mts. and the New
 Mexico border.  Perhaps this account is a partial confirmation of
 a subterranean connection between areas BELOW the Big Bend of
 Texas and the Guadellupe range of southern New Mexico -
 northwestern Texas.  Quoting from the letter:
 
 "Sirs:
      "Since I have been an interested reader of AMAZING STORIES
 since my high school days (1929) when A-S was a bigger magazine,
 I feel like one of the family when I read the letters in the
 discussion pages.  The temptation has arisen many times to write
 a letter to you concerning some hotly discussed matter, but
 something has always prevented me from getting at it.  However,
 the October Issue pushed me too far, and here goes.
      "The mysterious cave Mr. E. Stanton Brown spoke of in his
 letter is not exactly news to me.  In 1938 a party of six of my
 friends and myself spent seven months in that area of Texas, and
 upper Mexico.  We were testing an electronic instrument that we
 had developed, and needed lots of space and some mineral deposits
 for the various tests.  So, we got rather well acquainted with
 the Big Bend country, and the Figure 2 Ranch north of there.  We
 arrived there in January and camped IN THE SIERRA BLANCAS,
 storing a lot of our equipment at the town of Van Horn.  By
 March we had gotten deep into the rugged country and as I recall,
 it was about the middle of March we stumbled onto this cave (or a
 twin) that Mr. Brown speaks of in his letter.  Everyone was so
 dumbfounded by it that we spent the better part of the rest of
 the month in making a thorough investigation.  We penetrated the
 shaft to a distance of 870 feet and at about 650 feet found some
 very finely executed writing on the right wall at eye level, IN
 WHAT RESEMBLES CUNEIFORM.  At 800 feet one of the party fell over
 a cloth lying in the dust, and upon closer examination, it was
 found to be part of a blue shirt, of fairly recent manufacture;
 indicating that someone else had been this far in recent times.
 This and an empty pint whisky bottle dated 1897 was all we
 located to indicate recent occupation.  Of course in a country
 where desperadoes such as Black Jack, Billy the Kid, etc., hid
 out where they could and the more solitary the better, such a
 find was not too surprising.
      "At about 780 feet the floor dips more sharply downward and
 at near 900 feet progress is very hazardous due to moisture and
 increased slant downward.  We carried rocks from the opening, and
 rolled them from the point where we could no longer walk, but
 they simply faded out with a rumble after a few seconds.  We
 tried rolling flaming yucca stumps to see if, perhaps, we might
 determine more about the bore further on, but this proved to be
 futile, since the stumps burned poorly at best, probably due to
 bad air.  It was very stuffy and hot after the first 300 feet
 from the opening.  We held a powwow to try and figure out how we
 could go further down, but the only thing would have been lots of
 lariat ropes, or a long steel cable, and neither was available
 nearer than some 50 miles.
      "If Mr. Finley had taken the time to go hunting up in the
 Figure 2 Ranch territory he might have run across another, and to
 me more interesting, cave than the Big Bend one.  About 62 miles
 (north - Branton) from the town of Van Horn you go through the
 salt-flat country, where the Salt Wars of the old west occurred.
 Westward, some 8 or 9 miles from the road is the Apache Canyon
 country, and as rugged as anywhere on the face of the globe.  In
 an offshoot of Apache Canyon to the south, is an almost
 impassable gash called Hell Canyon.  The walls of this canyon
 rise precipitously for at least 1000 feet and top out on Apache
 Peak on one side and an old Indian ceremonial ground on the other
 side.  More desolate country would be hard to imagine.  Coyotes
 and mountain lions are plentiful, and panthers no novelty.  I
 have seen as many as 34 deer in a herd down below on the grassy
 ledge sloping down toward the canyon floor.  Of course, further
 up toward the box end of the canyon it was much too rugged for
 deer, but a few mountain sheep are seen, (it was) in the wildest
 part of the canyon that the other cave was found, in fact we
 almost fell into it.  The high grass about the opening hid the
 dished out entrance.
      "We were at an elevation of approximately 7000 feet and
 going was tough, especially with a pack, and we had stopped to
 rest when one of the party remarked that it 'sounded hollow' when
 any of us talked.  Of course, we all yapped away at the same time
 trying to figure if this was so, and sure enough it was.  Further
 investigation located the hole some six feet to the left of where
 we had stopped.  It was roughly oval in shape, some 30 by 18
 feet; and bridged in the center the short way by a natural rock
 arch heavy enough to support an elephant.  In the center of the
 arch were 3 deep grooves caused we hazarded, by rope passing over
 the arch.  We spent several hours in investigating the
 surrounding terrain to see if there might be any other entrances
 to the cave, but found none.  It sloped sharply from the opening
 down about 200 feet, and then the bore disappeared, curving
 upward.  We succeeded in getting down to the first level, by
 tying all our ropes together, and subsequently investigated a lot
 of it.
      "Threading through the soil were long stringers of quartz,
 but oddly enough at the same time there were chunks of rock as
 big as a piano that were solid masses of seashells.  Quite a lot
 of pottery both broken and whole, was found.  The most
 interesting thing was, however, that the farther we went the
 colder it got.  Also there was a sound of either rushing wind or
 water, which got louder the lower we went.  We came upon two
 human skeletons not over 500 feet from the entrance, but they
 must have been very old, as the bones crumbled at the touch.
 Everything was covered with a deep dust after passing the bend
 and no indication of any living thing having passed there was
 ever noted.  It was very dark and depressing, and the chill was
 very penetrating.  When you consider that the outside temperature
 was near 100 degrees, you can imagine how we were dressed.  We
 had three flashlights, one a five cell, and after a while it was
 all that was left that would give a decent light.  Down at what
 we estimated as 1200 feet from the opening we came smack up
 against a smooth stone wall.  That was it.  The end.  None of us
 would admit it was natural, it was too smooth and perfect, and
 look as we would we could not find a single flaw or crack in it.
 It was of a marble-like texture and some eight or nine feet high
 in the center and around eleven wide.  By placing our ears to the
 rock surface THE ROARING ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAME MUCH LOUDER,
 AND THE ROCK WAS QUITE COLD TO THE TOUCH.  There was natural
 marble near there, in Marble Canyon, where marble was once taken
 out in large quantities, and so the rock was native rock, I'm
 sure.  Since the remaining light was all we had except matches,
 we voted to get back to the opening as soon as possible, and
 after a hard struggle upgrade we got back to daylight and held a
 conference.  We decided to bed down and talk it over further the
 next day, as it was getting late.
      "However, the next day we were inclined to look foolishly at
 each other and claim it was all our imagination thinking there
 was anything strange on the other side of the barrier, and it was
 just another one of those many caves in the country.  Carlsbad is
 just 65 miles north of there, AND THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS NO DOUBT
 HONEYCOMBED UNDERNEATH.
      "We finished our experiments and left, late in July but I
 have never been able to forget the caves, and THE ODD SOUNDS ON
 THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BARRIER.  Or for that matter, the barrier
 itself, for it was too perfect to be natural, I believe.  Or,
 maybe I've just read too many AMAZING STORIES,' and am inclined
 to wild ideas.  As the Mexicans say, Quien sabe?
      "Some day I'm going to write you a ding-how Scientifiction
 on something-or-other, and then place it and my rejection notice
 among my souvenirs.  Maybe then I can go on reading AMAZING
 STORIES in peace, without wanting to dash off a dinger.
      "K. A. Gookin.,  Carmel Radio & Sound Service.,  Box 1865.,
 Carmel, California."
      (Note: It is unlikely that the writers of the two letters
 which we have just quoted would be able to be reached at the
 addresses given.  We've merely given them as they appeared in
 AMAZING STORIES magazine in the late 1940's. - Branton)
 
      At this point we will mention several miscellaneous items
 connected with paraspeleology, speleanthropology, subsurface
 phenomena and related subjects:
 
      A researcher by the name of Frank D. Adams has written on
 the result of his personal scientific experiments which may prove
 that giant cavities exist in granite at depths of more than 11
 miles, conclusions which have also been supported by Louis V.
 King, a mathematician who calculated that, at normal
 temperatures, a cavity would exist at a depth of between 17.2 and
 20.9 miles.  The authors' findings are also supported by the
 recently discovered "16 Rouse Belts" which give planes of
 fracture penetrating the globe.
      Dr. Ron Anjard, in an article in the Summer, 1978 issue of
 PURSUIT Magazine, claimed personal knowledge of 44 underground
 cities beneath the surface of North America, six of which are
 alleged to be on the West Coast.  His information allegedly comes
 from anonymous American Indian sources.  When we relate this to
 the large number of migration legends (to and from cavern realms)
 which exist among the native Amerindians, then we may conclude
 that certain tribes still retain intimate knowledge of
 underground civilizations related to them via distant ancestral
 links.  Some of the elders of these different tribes, others have
 suggested, may in fact maintain present contact with several of
 these cavern civilizations.  There are some indications that some
 such 'tribes' literally moved underground as a result of the
 encroaching Anglosaxon civilization upon the America's.  Similar
 allegations are made in relation to South and Central America as
 well.
      Interviews with survivors of a mine explosion in Dec. 26,
 1945, known as the "Belva Mine Disaster", appeared in the Dec.
 1981 - Jan. 1982 issues of newspapers in Pineville, Kentucky and
 elsewhere.  The interviews revealed that some of the trapped men
 saw a "door" in one of the walls open, and a man dressed like a
 "lumberjack" emerged from a well-lighted room.  After assuring
 the men that they would be rescued, the strange visitor returned
 to the room and closed the door.  These "lumberjack-like"
 entities have been described by miners on other parts of the
 country and in other nations as well.  There seems to be some
 confusion as to whether they are physical or paraphysical
 entities.  A somewhat similar incident allegedly took place
 several years ago near Shipton, Pennsylvania.  Of the three
 victims of this particular mine disaster, only two were rescued.
 However both described a similar para-physical encounter with
 strange 'men' who entered the caverns and gave light to the two
 trapped miners and told them that they would be rescued.  They
 were uncertain whether the entities were humans or supernatural
 beings however, as much of their collective "hallucination"
 contained both physical as well as supernatural elements.  The
 bluish "light" which illuminated the room, they said, was real,
 but other holographic-like visuals that appeared on the walls,
 when touched by their hands, either disappeared or revealed solid
 rock behind.
      R. L. Blain-Sanders, in an article titled 'TUNNELS AND
 CAVERNS BENEATH NEW YORK CITY,' which appeared in the Fall, 1981
 issue of SHAVERTRON, described the author's knowledge of a large
 triangular system of tunnels utilized by a 'Masonic lodge', deep
 below the surface of New York City.  Could this have any
 connection to the other 'rumors' to the effect that cavernous
 regions exist below Manhattan?  For instance, in 1962 Con Edison,
 while drilling a test hole in the north of East River Park, New
 York City, broke through to open space about 200 feet below.
 Also, there are the allegations of Morris Doreal that the Church
 of St. John the Divine in New York was built over ancient tunnels
 leading to a dome-shaped city abandoned by antediluvian
 'Atlanteans' and later, apparently, re-established by post-
 deluvians.  Then we have the accounts of thousands of people who
 have literally and mysteriously disappeared off the face of the
 earth in and around New York City.
      Raymond Bond, in an article titled 'SUBTERRANEAN SAUCERS -
 GLOBAL NETWORK OF UFO BASES', which appeared in SAGA'S UFO ANNUAL
 1980 (Brooklyn, N.Y.), described caves within Mt. Sombrero in the
 Tampica area of Mexico, from which sounds resembling those made
 by 'hydroelectric generating equipment' can be heard.  Also,
 inhabitants of the interior of Mt. Kilimanjaro were also
 described.  Kilimanjaro is one of the highest peaks in Africa.
      Bob Borino, in his article, 'UFO BASES FOUND IN ANTARCTICA'
 (Globe, Jan. 18, 1983) quotes from certain scientists who believe
 that a subterranean UFO Base is located beneath the strange
 'Polynya Sea' in the Antarctica's Weddell Sea region.
      Malcolm W. Browne, in his article 'UNDERGROUND TUNNELS
 THREATEN TOWN IN HUNGARY'S WINE COUNTRY' (NEW YORK TIMES, Nov. 8,
 1967, p.2) tells of over 60 miles of ancient tunnel systems of
 unknown origin and purpose which have been discovered beneath the
 town of Eger, Hungary, some of which have collapsed.  The
 civilization which built the tunnels must have been fairly
 advanced in engineering and science in order to create such a
 subterranean system.
      Karl Brugger, in his book 'THE CHRONICLE OF AKAKOR' (Boohi
 Tree Books., Delacorte Press., N.Y., 230 pp), gives the history--
 as given to the author by one of their chiefs--of the Ugha
 Mongulala tribesman, whose ancestors were allegedly part of a
 vast empire which covered South America in ancient times.  Some
 of these ancient people, the chief claimed, left the planet in
 aerial vessels to explore other parts of the solar system and
 beyond, leaving behind vast subterranean cities beneath the Andes
 mountains and western Brazil.  In 1971, due to the constant
 encroachment of white settlers or invaders into their territory,
 30,000 survivors of the Ugha Mongulala allegedly escaped to this
 ancient system of underground cities, consisting of 13 separate
 subterranean complexes all connected by tunnels, one of which is
 said to extend to Lima, and others of which are located
 throughout the Andes Mountain range of Peru.
      Michael Burke, in his article 'GREEN THING SPARKS RUMORS'
 (THE VALLEY NEWS DISPATCH, New Kensington, Tarentum and
 Vandergrift, PA., Mar. 5, 1981 issue) described a small creature,
 allegedly 'half humanoid - half dinosaur' which was seen emerging
 from a sewer tunnel in New Kensington.  A group of children
 chased the infant or young dinosauroid creature, one of them
 momentarily grabbing it at which point it let out a squealing or
 screeching sound, and then slipped from his hands and escaped
 back into the sewer tunnel.  This incident took place some miles
 west of Dixonville, PA., where in 1944 several miners were killed
 or turned up missing as a result of encounters with 'alien'
 creatures in one particular mineshaft there.  Any connection?
      SAGA Magazine's 'UFO ANNUAL - 1980', P.4, under the heading
 'CAVE MARTIANS', described a bizarre encounter with subterranean
 creatures which seemed to have consisted of some type of
 automaton-like forms, perhaps on a reconnaissance mission from an
 underground civilization.  The story involved a tunnel near
 Xucurus, Argentina(?), some 90 miles from Buenos Aires.  The
 tunnel was discovered by agriculturist Gerardo Cordeire, and
 found to contain nine connecting passages and strange
 inscriptions on the walls.  From it's entrance "men nine feet
 tall, green, with antennas on their heads, and square legs" were
 seen to emerge, and which, according to HUNDREDS of witnesses
 from the town and nearby locals, resembled enormous "portable
 radios."
      Dr. Earlyne Chaney, in an article titled 'ODYSSEY INTO
 EGYPT', in her occult-oriented magazine VOICE OF ASTARA (May,
 1982) tells of a discovery she and researcher Bill Cox was shown
 in Egypt.  These were two tunnels, neither of which had been
 fully explored.  One was in the temple of Edfu between Luxor and
 Cairo in the ruins of El Tuna Gabel; and the other near Zozer's
 Step Pyramid at Cairo near Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of
 the Bull, called "Serapium".  The Egyptian government sealed both
 tunnels because of fears of certain archaeologists who alleged
 that they "lead too deeply down into the depths of the earth,"
 and because they found the earth to be "honeycombed with passages
 leading off into other depths," and the possibility of explorers
 becoming lost.  If such labyrinths do exist, then it may explain
 one story which alleged that men dressed like "ancient Egyptians"
 have been seen deep in unexplored tunnels near Cairo, as well as
 possible confirmation of the story which appeared in Nevada
 Aerial Research's 'LEADING EDGE' Publication to the effect that
 the U.S.(?) Government secretly maintains a huge base within a
 cavern of tremendous size (several miles in diameter) beneath the
 desert sands of Egypt.  Could this tie in with the vague
 references to a subterranean society(s) referred to by certain
 people 'in the know' which is/are known as the 'Phoenix Empire'
 and/or the 'Gizeh People'?
      Articles in the WASHINGTON STAR-NEWS, July 25, 1973 and Aug.
 15, 1973, tell of the discovery of an unexplored network of
 ancient, artificial tunnels during construction of a parking lot
 in Crofton, Maryland.  Subsequent construction covered the tunnel
 entrances before the system could be completely investigated.
      Leon Davidson, in an early issue of 'FLYING SAUCERS'
 Magazine, spoke of a large network of "underground tunnels in the
 California desert, at Camp Irwin, near Barstow."  This may tie-in
 with an item related by a Los Angeles municipal water director,
 as related in an early issue of Richard Toronto's SHAVERTRON
 letter-zine, stating that this water director knew of 5 large
 underground rivers which ran beneath the Mojave desert, and that
 die-traces showed that at least one of these emptied into the
 Pacific ocean through openings in the continental slopes (One
 source stated that such a river exited in the Gulf of California.
 Other sources speak of a "Kokoweef" river-system which is alleged
 to lie below Kokoweef peak just east of FORT Irwin, which looked-
 -according to it's alleged discoverer, a Mr. Earl Dorr, and a few
 "Indians" who also claimed to have been in it--like a "Grand
 Canyon" underground.  It allegedly consists of a river chasm
 generally 500 ft. wide and over a thousand feet high-deep, sided
 by steep tiered-shelved underground cliffs, huge stalactites and
 cataracts.  Also, the alluvial sands on the 'beaches' along the
 river, which allegedly hold a large percentage of gold dust, are
 said to be several feet deep.  The entrance to this cavern was
 allegedly dynamited shut by Mr. Dorr to protect anyone else from
 getting to "his" gold.  There is in fact evidence that Dorr did
 dynamite shut the lower level of 'Kin Sabe' cave in Kokoweef
 Peak, and there are present-day attempts to break through into
 this underground system.  The water of the river allegedly rose
 and fell with the tides, suggesting that a very large body of
 water might exist upstream, that is if Dorr's account as well as
 the accounts of the Indians were not fabricated).  The municipal
 water director, according to the SHAVERTRON article, spoke with a
 man who claimed that he was hired several years ago by the
 government to look for water sources for Ft. Irwin.  He alleged
 to have explored an old mine in the area and found that deep
 down, the shaft intersected with an ancient earth fault or chasm-
 like cave which continued horizontally for a considerable
 distance.  This government employee followed the chasm and
 allegedly emerged onto the bank of a huge underground river-cave
 over a quarter of a mile wide!  The tremendous water flow--
 possibly originating from the waters that apparently disappear
 beneath the Great Basin, the Nevada and Mojave deserts?--could
 have 'fed' the water needs of all of Southern California.
      Paul Doerr (not to be confused with Mr. DORR referred to
 above), in issue number 6 of his Newsletter 'UNKNOWN', related
 the tradition concerning a race of human giants which, according
 to stories in the Carolinas islands and especially Papua,
 allegedly went underground in ancient times.  Once inhabitants of
 a lost island-continent called "Chamat," they will, according to
 legend, one day emerge.  This legend is wide-spread throughout
 Malaysia, which incidentally contains the largest "officially
 recognized" cavern chamber, the "Sarowak Chamber" on the island
 of Borneo in the Malaysian islands.  It is said to be 230 ft.
 wide by 980 ft. long and nowhere less than 270 ft. high, large
 enough to easily hold within itself the two previous contenders
 for the world's largest OFFICIAL chamber - Carlsbad's "Big Room"
 in New Mexico and the "Salle de la Verna" in the Pierre Saint-
 Martin caverns in France.  Yankee stadium could fit in one end of
 the Sarowak chamber with room to spare!  The same issue of
 'UNKNOWN' also reports on the discovery of massive caverns in
 Toulumne Co., California, by three Oakland miners.  The caverns
 were so extensive that a man would have to "take grub for a week,
 and plan to explore for a month."
      The 'BOOK OF DYZAN', which has been translated from ancient
 manuscripts, tells of intellectually sophisticated humans from
 an ancient earth-born society who abandoned the surface of the
 earth, "depriving the impure human race of their knowledge," and
 leaving in flying craft to rejoin their land "of iron and metal."
      'FAR OUT' Magazine's April, 1982 issue carried an article
 titled, 'BOTTOMLESS PIT FOUND ON THE OCEANS FLOOR'.  The article
 tells of a huge man-made opening in the ocean floor between
 Panama and the Galapagos Islands, which scientists say receives a
 constant flow of ocean water which is being sucked through the
 hole and into the crust beneath the ocean floor.
      Raymond A. Fowler, in his book 'THE ANDREASSON AFFAIR'
 (Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey.  1979) gives an
 extensive description of an abduction experience of one woman who
 was taken by the "Gray-type" aliens and later returned to her
 house.  These creatures, according to Fowler and Andreasson, had
 the ability to travel between stars but her account seems to
 suggest that their ORIGINAL point of origin is within a cavernous
 subterranean realm.  For instance, here are some quotes given by
 Betty Andreasson concerning her abduction: "(The aliens had)
 Large, wraparound... eyes (which) stood in stark contrast to less
 prominent facial features: holes for noses and ears, and fixed,
 scarlike mouths.  They wore shiny dark blue, form-fitting
 uniforms... Their three-digit (reptilian?) hands were GLOVED."
 The creatures seemed claylike, "...They're scary," Betty said, "I
 don't see any hair... (their heads were like) an upside-down
 pear... I didn't even see a nose."  She described an "eye slit"
 and said that the creatures took her from her house and into some
 type of craft.  After a while the craft apparently connected to
 some type of dock somewhere on or below the earth, beyond which
 was a tunnel.  She was put into an enclosed chair-like
 transparent container which filled with some kind of fluid, and
 was then taken through a "...subway tunnel... it's like a track
 we're going on... walking, gliding--or something."  She said that
 her willpower seemed mesmerized by power.
 
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